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Old 09-19-2004, 09:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Okay I'm a coward. I read John Paul's thread on manipulating images beyond the conventional touchup's and brought this picture right over here instead of posting it on the Main Forum. I may be crazy but I'm not stupid.

Here's the original image:



And what I did to it. I did a lot of blending and selective sharpening in Photoshop 7 and then cropped it to this:



Too Much? Should have got the lighting right the first time-but since I didn't-do you think it's recoverable? What is your take on this and what would you do to make it better than the original.

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Old 09-19-2004, 10:12 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Don't be afraid.
There's nothing wrong to trying to "save" an image when you see something
that has potential. But you are right. Watch that lighting. Your modeling
lights should give you a good clue.

I have a rule of thumb for exposure parameters ( basically it's transparency
based, but will apply to digital and high end printers).
Exposures in general, no lower than one stop, no greater than 1 stop off the
key light. Can't go wrong that way.

I know I can recover it, but it takes artwork and some time. And only because
I have years of experience and am also an illustrator. This would be a very
expensive photo to save.

There is a difference between trying to save an image and just plain over-
running it with photoshop. You are simply trying to keep the image looking
natural but exposure corrected ( the very job photoshop is all about).

John Paul's statement is not about what you are trying to do.

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Old 09-20-2004, 01:32 AM   #3 (permalink)
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But the nose has become blurred and putty looking. Ugh.
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Re: Shopped and Cropped
Old 09-20-2004, 04:54 PM   #4 (permalink)
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You're right. I think I should have left more highlights on the nose and chin.

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Old 09-20-2004, 05:42 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Greg:

I did very little for exposure compensation in levels-I increased the midtones a little, but not much. I try to expose 1/2 stop underexposed so I don't blow out the highlights.

I got rid of the shadows and increased the highlight areas on her cheeks using a combination of the clone tool and the healing brush. But since this made those areas very soft I went to equalize the softness on the forehead and nose-really overdoing the nose. I used the sharpening tool at 20% opacity and sharpened her hair and used the unsharp mask filter to sharpen the eyes.

Yeah I know that JP"s topic didn't apply to this image, that was just my dry sense of humor, but I thought the image belonged on this forum anyway. It took me a half an hour to do this and I'm not very proficient in the details of photoshop.

If this image was on a negative instead of a few million pixels the print would either end up in the trash or go through several hours of darkroom work. The bottom line is that when your shooting, a mere 5 second adjustment in the lighting or a posing instruction sure can save a lot of post production. Pay attention now instead of paying for it later.

details, details, those little tiny details.

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This one had a minor midtone levels adjustment and some blemish removal.

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You got it. Details, Details, Details!
After awhile, it all becomes second nature.
Then it's just a matter of "keeping current."
I don't shoot that often, and when I do, it's amazing
how much of the "feel" is gone. But it comes back quick.

I think if you plan your lighting and exposures before
you shoot, you will be astonished at how many problems
go away.

When I get some time, I will show you some stuff on that
art program you downloaded. I'll work it in with photoshop.
I think this will enhance things a little.

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Have any of you guys or gals tried any photoshop plug-ins ??

I went to www.kodak.com and downloaded 2 demos one was an airbrush demo and the other was SHO ( shadow , highlight and something )
For only hitting one button in photoshop they seem to work OK
BUT - the demo puts those big "unregisterd" across the picture
I think they cost about 99 bucks ( to much for me to spend since I don't shoot professionally)

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I use those tools and find them usefull IF you use them on a separate layer AND then use the blending option to reduce the amount of softening. makes my production go much faster than trying to do it all with individual layers and tools. My clients like the effects a lot... other pros look at it an see too much PS work.... hence the blending to reduce the effect a bit. I recommend them... but then I'm a tad lazy... ;-)
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my attempt?
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That lip was a bear. Not sure how it looks on your monitor but I really love the opportunity to take on challenges like these.

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Mindy:

Thanks for the retouch. I like the additional highlights you gave it.

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