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Originally Posted by CatCynic
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OK, I have had it with this attitude (and you get the points for triggering the rant)!
So you had to work with chemicals - get over it. Maybe you inhaled too many fumes, but working with chemical photography does NOT make you a superstar, nor does it make you superior to photographers without your experience.
The point is the image created, not the process of creating it. If someone can create a powerful image using a cell-phone camera, more power to them (and yeah, it doesn't happen often!). If they capture a still frame with a webcam, and it's an awesome shot, hooray! Feel free to look down your nose at them, feel free to sneer at their lowly equipment, but stop yapping about "the only way to learn is chemical photography". Chemical photography has gone the way of steam engines - the only ones left are the fanatics (who should meet in little groups, somewhat ashamed of their obsessions) and people with very special requirements. Most people are using digital cameras now, and those cameras are at least as capable as the old film cameras you revere.
I'm guilty of equipment snobbery myself - I use a 5D and I have a 1D Mark III on order - but I'm willing to give credit for a good image, no matter what was used to shoot it.
As for Christian and his/her rude attitude - try giving CONSTRUCTIVE advice, instead of sneering. Instead of saying "the only way to shoot is Manual", try suggesting something really useful, like: "if you spot-meter for the shadows you can get an exposure which can be combined with the current one to yield an image with greater dynamic range". Of course, giving constructive advice is more work than sneering... Read the sort of thing RFS posts - he is genuinely helpful, and a role-model you could do well to follow. (I am fully aware that I don't live up to his standard)
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Oh Cat... how I adore you. You're like a baby seal that delivers the bat
How about this... when someone wants advice on how to click crap and correct later - you answer. When someone wants advice on how to actually improve the images they're starting with - I'll answer. When someone asks which clicker will make them look/sound cool... and might make up for some of their incompetence, you answer. When someone wants to learn to manipulate light in the camera so very little post work is needed, I'll answer. You coddle - and I'll sneer. You can play role model - and I'll push like a coach would.
As to your runny little pile of bullshyt about film - you might look around at the biggest shooters on the planet. We do gather in small groups... usually in editor's offices. Almost all of the biggest shooters are still using film... and since you don't know why... I'll let you educate yourself. What you don't know IS hurting you. If you can't make a strong image on slide film - you're not a photographer... you're a photoshopper. And if you identify your work by the brand name on your camera - I'll go ahead and guess which of the two you are.
Now have a nice fcuking day
christian